Jane, you ignorant slut...
Actually, Andrea, Erin, and any other woman who may be reading: there is a key distinction that Erin brought up and then failed to live by. Many of the males in high school, college, and well into the working world are boys, playing at being a man. There are few "men". I'm sorry, that's just the way it is, fellas. Most of the stuff that ladies, women, girls, females of all varieties complain about and belittle "men" for is directly attributable to the immaturity and idiocy of males that can only be described as boys.

They are boys, plain and simple.

Men don't play games. Men don't treat you badly. Men don't lie, cheat, steal, or lust after your best friends (unless you do). Men are polite, generous, honest, caring, and loyal. The problem is, in our world, there are very few men out there. Some men even hide behind a shield of quasi-boyhood, but the fact remains that all the bogus behavior that you bemoan (rightly) is that of boys.

So the short answer is that you need to be aware of this crucial distinction, and choose accordingly. The boys are the ones many of you date. The men are the ones you want to date and want to keep.

Another Male Perspective....
Paul's cousin, Graham, has decided to weigh in with some further advice to Andrea. Please enjoy...
In response to Andrea's query about how to handle dealing with guys, I think we are less looking at a fear issue (someone that self confident is past that) and more at a "what are they (guys) thinking?" I could totally be in the wrong here, but that's the impression I am getting... [I was actually trying to get at a more generalized dating tactic, though you're right, the question was phrased more about what are guys thinking. -ed.]

I would first say that as silly as this sounds, everyone reacts differently to different things, and that an approach that works on one person may not be suited to the person sitting in the desk next to them. I realize this may be blatantly obvious to some, but quite often, we find a groove that works for us and we try to replicate it. Under this umbrella of thought, Mr. Rogers was right, "everyone is special." The tough part is figuring out who is right for you.

Leading into the topic just mentioned, alot of the time, we go after what we "think" we want and what we "think" will make us happy. I am not saying that these urges which lead to romances are bad, just that we need to recognize what's the real thing and what is "pining
brought to fruition." We all go after people, but one must realize that while some people like to be pursued, maybe there is an underlying reason that we are the ones doing the pursuing.

Underlying all of this is our gut. It's there for a reason. Listen to it. We always know when something feels right or not. Yeah, there can be some awkwardness in the beginning trying to get to know the person across the dinner table from us, but if it's right, those butterflies ought to leave our stomach pretty quickly (and hopefully not onto our date).

For some concrete advice, I would love it of Andrea could give us some examples. Primary source material always makes advice a bit easier to construct (generalities are the bane of advice's existence; just read the first three paragraphs here). Hope this could be of some assistance and we all look forward to dissecting the dating world here further.

Paul on the non-returned phonecalls
Speaking as one who has been in this position, it's not fun to be in, there's no doubt. The fact is that a lot of people out there just don't have any manners. Occasionally I'm among them, but I try to make it a point to call anyone who calls me back. (this of course excepts telemarketers, parents leaving short messages that don't require replies, and the like). Frankly, some people are just rude and they don't know how to handle the fact that you might like them.

For me, for example, I once was dating this girl, and I think we were both not totally down with the relationship. One of us was moving away, and as the departure date grew closer, we felt less and less need to spend time with each other (this, it is admitted, was after 3 dates or so). She called me, and I was very busy, but I called back. She never did. I'm not holding it against her, since I agreed it was short and not really happening, but the point I'm getting at is that some people feel it is best to end a relationship by ignoring it, and I think that's wrong.

Aside from the manners thing--and don't get me started on people thinking that my manners come from having gone to high school in Texas--I think that the ignoring thing is just a bad call for the ignorer, let alone the ignoree. The ignorer subjects herself to continued calls because she hasn't had the forthrightness to say she didn't think it was working out, and hoping it will just resolve itself on its own. This probably causes more anguish for them than necessary, because they keep hoping it'll go away, and they keep hoping this call isn't going to be the person again, and on and on it goes.

The other side of that coin is that people use a lack of returned phone calls in a purely selfish fashion, to keep someone on a string or to build up their own ego. I knew a girl who would ignore calls and emails for weeks at a time, and then just as her suitor was about to call her up and give her what-for and tell her to get lost, she would do something to draw them back in. Some people just get off on it, and that's just wrong.

Is it a gendered thing, though? The bogus "I'll call you" notwithstanding, since it's pretty much a social form by now, do men do this any more or any less than women?

Abandon Fear, All Ye Who Enter Here: Paul's Perspective, such as it is...This is in response to our faithful reader Andrea, who has been with us since the beginning. Way to go for being here all 2 weeks!

Andrea, it should be noted, is a high school senior, and said that she believed that she was rather attractive and was still having problems with the guys. I am going to assume that Andrea is not lying, particularly for the following reasons: she has self-confidence, and in a high schooler, that's awfully rare. Additionally, she's obviously smart--no, actually, because it doesn't do well to insult the readership. And finally because there are plenty of attractive people without dates--and plenty of uglies with them--so the theory works any way you like.

Nevertheless, back to the topic at hand. High school--and indeed the dating world in general--isn't easy. Perhaps it gets easier with time, but I don't think it's because rejection or heartbreak are any different as a 60 year old or a 16 year old. One of our other readers called her dating life (which to me seems relatively normal) a Jackson Pollock painting, full of color and confusion; "a fast-paced, colorful mess".

What I think is equally good advice for the old and young, male and female alike is something like a paraphrase of FDR--the only thing you should do is have no fear. It's not to say that fear is unnatural, or that you should hide your fear, but just to avoid having it.

Look: fear submerged only comes out in other places: inappropriate jokes, nervous laughter, uptightness, distraction, and the like. All of these are things that are horrible during a date, and could be fatal if you're trying to introduce yourself to someone. You could say the wrong thing, laugh at the wrong place, or spill your drink. You could become haughty or reserved, obnoxiously gregarious, or any number of different masks we all put on to avoid being afraid or alone. Despite our greatest self-delusions, none of us is good enough to perfectly hide that we are nervous. It just doesn't happen, and as a result, people do end up seeing through it.

Instead, abandoning fear can be a healthy thing for both men and women. Of course, foolhardiness isn't highly recommended either--asking the groom if he'd fancy a date next week is generally bad manners, but also sets you up for more than a little disappointment. But don't take that to mean that you shouldn't try to ask out people who you might think to be "out of your league." You never know until you play against them. And you will never do that until you abadon fear.

This sounds like some wacky action/adventure mantra, but it really does have practical benefits, particularly in the real world of the dating scene. When you're first asking someone out, you have to be absolutely open to the fact that the time might not be right for them (and therefore you). If you ask them, and they say no, then you're out what, 4 minutes? Not a lot of time. And if you don't worry about it exhaustively, you're in a position to move right on.

Some people are able to collect many numbers in a bar on any given night. It's because they're willing to just ask, they don't fear a "no" and they don't fear a "yes". Of course you can hope that the someone says yes, but you don't have to get all freaked out about it. Nor do you have to get freaked out about a date. Or saying no to a date. The whole purpose of a date is to find out if you like that other person. If you already know the answer's no, then you should tell them as much.* And you shouldn't fear the response. They'll date again, they'll ask for other numbers, and they'll get over it; so will you, if you are in their position. Sure, it may be hard, but in the long run, you're a better person for trying something new or ending something old.

Even on the date, I think trying to do away with fear can be a fearsomely liberating experience. You can learn a lot about yourself on a bad, madcap, or innovative date. Even if you don't like the person, it might help you out to find out more about yourself as a person. My worst date, well, that's a story for another time, but it was pretty funny to those involved, years later.

This is probably a bit freewheeling, but then, the question was a bit broad. If you have more questions directed at particular aspects of the dating life, drop us a line.

* note that I did not say "Be rude to them". There is no need to be anything less than kind but firm.

NEW FEATURE!!!
With not a little fanfare, Erin and Paul trot out what we hope will be the next great thing in the world of sparring sexes. Yes, that's right--YOU, the reader (yes, you) get the opportunity to tell us what you think of our commentaries.

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